tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post2673248261492808307..comments2008-08-03T20:51:14.713+01:00dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-65282884862768084272008-08-03T20:51:00.000+01:002008-08-03T20:51:00.000+01:002008-08-03T20:51:00.000+01:00

Levi, I'm working on some provisional documents to suggest ways of changing things in the SW... with some suggested ways to a) restructure a committeeb) restructure the way a committee is trained, operates and meets.I think the way to do it is to lead with the vision. Which in the South West means above all this:72014 people.or rather800 Christian students13 Staff/relay71200 non-Christians1

dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-19468443298720789022008-07-28T14:39:00.000+01:002008-07-28T14:39:00.000+01:002008-07-28T14:39:00.000+01:00

Oh my days! This is awesome!OK, sorry, calming breath... but seriously Anna and I (ex-Leeds Relayers) talked about this stuff so much last year so it's great to see that so many others are wanting the same thing. It got to the point where we were trying to fit in a freshers' week planning meeting separate from our weekly meetings and we just realised it was actually ridiculous that we had to

Levihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16768855040941795289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-56489685882422688702008-07-24T12:57:00.000+01:002008-07-24T12:57:00.000+01:002008-07-24T12:57:00.000+01:00

Caleb, agreed - without an all of life approach to Christianity being missional isn't going to work. Hence, speaking for Jesus and living for Jesus.

dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-27016713993822195072008-07-24T10:54:00.000+01:002008-07-24T10:54:00.000+01:002008-07-24T10:54:00.000+01:00

I agree, but seeing everything as missional is a tricky balancing act. I think there's a danger that "CUs should be all about mission" (which I agree with) can end up as "CUs should be all about flyering/lunchbars/evangelistic events". That is, mission becomes a set of events separate from our everyday lives rather than mission being a way of life that informs everything we do. Evangelistic

Caleb Woodbridgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14761353888872137118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-54346608005861788652008-07-23T22:39:00.000+01:002008-07-23T22:39:00.000+01:002008-07-23T22:39:00.000+01:00

Rosemary - that is the challenge isn't it - change to even having clarity on the gospel takes many students quite a long time...Agreed that many of the what if's are already happening in the SW too - which is great! - but I guess it was an invitation to dream and imagine and press on. Critique wasn't really the intention :)

dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-28910771987706497702008-07-23T19:34:00.000+01:002008-07-23T19:34:00.000+01:002008-07-23T19:34:00.000+01:00

That's all the aim, and certainly I've recently seen that I must do more evangelism with my CUs and less maintenance, but we can't just say, "Why aren't we like this yet?" and imply that we're failing. The majority of the Christian freshers I see come to uni don't get the gospel very well, with a background of a youthclub where having a cool time as a Christian was the aim. There are some

étrangèrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02802871565840479439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-43039551035521742772008-07-23T12:24:00.000+01:002008-07-23T12:24:00.000+01:002008-07-23T12:24:00.000+01:00

Nicola - they have, i have... but not everyone listens... and I think this missional-mindset is so far removed from our default thinking that it takes time to work it out. Change happens one-degree at a time... but anyone who has faith for it I want working with me. Wanna job when you've done that Masters?Hugh - Events are still helpful as are structures and systems. And there is always going to

dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-90269424718627188462008-07-23T12:03:00.001+01:002008-07-23T12:03:00.001+01:002008-07-23T12:03:00.001+01:00

We didn't realise till we got to UCCF leaders training that we were a mission team. It took us until the next leaders training a year later to actually do something about it.The big 'debate' was always what was the main purpose of the main CU meeting? Was it to encourage and equip Christians, or was it a place that we could bring non-Christians to on any week? Was it possible to combine these two

Hughbohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13901409529342894361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-16490469121221544982008-07-23T12:03:00.000+01:002008-07-23T12:03:00.000+01:002008-07-23T12:03:00.000+01:00

YEShow is it possible no one has said this before?!

nicola louisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12175216493067970350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-50127395337007860102008-07-23T11:43:00.000+01:002008-07-23T11:43:00.000+01:002008-07-23T11:43:00.000+01:00

Seems to me mostly just a case of putting into practice what we have on paper... and not being afraid to rework some of the old systems... which is how we can stay being a movement on track with our vision and not drift into institutionalism. I seem to remember Nigel Pollock saying once that Evangelism Sec was a late 80s invention in most places anyway... methodology has to be up for grabs so

dave bishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875356.post-38217411204216430182008-07-23T11:23:00.000+01:002008-07-23T11:23:00.000+01:002008-07-23T11:23:00.000+01:00

i think the knock on for the church would be enormous. an empowering rethink.

Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17277300338582244889noreply@blogger.com